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i respectfully disagree that the only democrats got elected in the past election. there was still a majority in the house of representatives republican that would return to office they ought not take ownership of something that will reduce jobs and growth. they ought not to do that or they'll be responsible for what happens in the next four years. let the democrats have their tax increases and you'll see what happens. >> as you speak, we have a fiscal cliff countdown clock right beneath you, 27 days and 12 hours. gentlemen, appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> thank you. governors gilmore and davis. >>> let's get to brian sullivan with the market flash. brian? >>> perhaps not happy here, carl, pby is falling today. they swupg to a third quarter loss. you can see the stock is down 13%, $6.8 million loss, basically 13 cents per adjusted share of a loss. wall street was expecting a prof profit. sales fell 2.4% quarter over quarter. of course the whole autoparts phase with a lot of action around this name, pby has been stuck in an $8 to $12 range for the better par
i respectfully disagree that the only democrats got elected in the past election. there was still a majority in the house of representatives republican that would return to office they ought not take ownership of something that will reduce jobs and growth. they ought not to do that or they'll be responsible for what happens in the next four years. let the democrats have their tax increases and you'll see what happens. >> as you speak, we have a fiscal cliff countdown clock right beneath...
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ever since obama won the election, we are now in deal mode. i have to tell you, we're going to have a stellar year. it's going to be at a price. the price is going to be -- january is probably going to be much worse than predicted. february, march, et cetera. we're borrowing for the future, yet again. >> that's a really good point. is this just a short-term thing? next year in 2013, once we see cap gains taxes go much higher, which they probably will, do things slow down again? >> oh, yeah. i think it will slow down again. i think people will hunker down, particularly are the whole fiscal cliff story hanging. even if it goes over, which i predict it will -- >> so do i. >> diana, what are you seeing? >> in the high ends where dolly works, of course it's going to have a big effect. let's keep this in perspective when we look at the housing recovery. homes price ed over $1 million were just 1.7% of sales in october. this is a minuscule amount when you look at the overall housing market and the recovery. that's why we're not seeing prices come dow
ever since obama won the election, we are now in deal mode. i have to tell you, we're going to have a stellar year. it's going to be at a price. the price is going to be -- january is probably going to be much worse than predicted. february, march, et cetera. we're borrowing for the future, yet again. >> that's a really good point. is this just a short-term thing? next year in 2013, once we see cap gains taxes go much higher, which they probably will, do things slow down again? >>...
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sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >> the fed is important. it's another one of those two-day meetings. they're going to take down operation twist. this will be important because he gets to announce at a press conference. that gives them a chance to explain what the mood of the meeting was. it will give them a chance to hear what the new proposal, qe whatever, is supposed to do and how they want to set it up. so i think the markets will hone in on that very, very carefully. >> do you think we see an acceleration of purchases, a revamp of twists? will there be an event as i said earlier? >
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the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly raising some entitlement reform proposals with the president. but then the speaker and his co-signers here have this sentence, mindful of the status quo election and questions on entitlement reform we recognize it would be counterproductive to privately or publicly propose entitlement reforms you or the leader of your party are unwilling to changed in near term. boehner is laying out a revision going back to the simpson/bowles plan in some way, shape or form and that's the gist of this offer from the speaker to the president. we're diving into it in real
the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly...
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look what happened after the election. the stock is up over 1,000% since going up in august. take that, facebook. >> well said, jane. thank you very much. all right. so could legalizing marijuana help dig us out of our financial hole? let us bring in the executive director of the national organization for the reform of marijuana laws, known better has normal. any input into the financial benefits of the impact of tax revenue and the benefit of simply putting fewer people into jail for carrying a dime bag of pot around. >> of course. in the united states 850,000 people a year are arrested for marijuana. that's about 100,000 people in jail. the windfall savings from not having to arrest, prosecute, imprison, and pee test these individuals, the savings runs into the $10 billion to $15 billion according to the economist at harvard university. of course, the tax revenue, whether it's from the licenses or the sales tax in the state of washington alone, they're look at $540 million to $600 million. >> $540 million to $600 million a year. this is terrifying, allen. in 1966, cops arre
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we just had an election all about this. why does not white house figure that these kinds of appearances are helpful when both sides positions are pretty well locked in already? >> because this president and this white house have concluded that public pressure is what will make republicans bargain with him and deal on his terms. after the private grand bargain negotiations in the summer of 2011, they concluded they weren't simply going to do it behind closed doors with republicans. president went out and campaigned. he hammered republicans beginning in the fall of 2011. he won the election and he was trying to keep the pressure on to get them to bargain. >> all right, john har wood, thank you very much. >> let's stay in washington but capitol hill now, keeping a close eye on the negotiations, among the key congressional leaders. what the update, amman? >> well, there is total radio silence about the meeting between boehner and obama at the choice yesterday. we are told to expect that boehner will brief top republican leaders
we just had an election all about this. why does not white house figure that these kinds of appearances are helpful when both sides positions are pretty well locked in already? >> because this president and this white house have concluded that public pressure is what will make republicans bargain with him and deal on his terms. after the private grand bargain negotiations in the summer of 2011, they concluded they weren't simply going to do it behind closed doors with republicans....
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again our two fiscal cliff portfolios for the first time since the election of november 6th, they are betting we will not go over the fiscal cliff interestingly enough. right now the dow up just 15 points as we head towards the close. much more to come on the second hour of "closing bell." >>> and it's that time of day. it's 4:00 p.m. here on wall street. maria will be back in the seat tomorrow. as the clock winds down to the fiscal cliff deadline, this is how we're finishing on wall street. at this stage it looks like we got a gain of only 14 points for the dow. obviously we were higher than that, not much more but were higher earlier in the day. the nasdaq up by only eight points and the s&p finishing up by just a trickle of positive. well, ticktock. the market is closed. seems to be waiting once again for some clear signal on what's going to happen with regards to the fiscal cliff. how can you make money in the final trading sessions of the year amongst all this uncertainty? >> we have definite answers coming with our panel. back with us nathan bachrach from the financial network.
again our two fiscal cliff portfolios for the first time since the election of november 6th, they are betting we will not go over the fiscal cliff interestingly enough. right now the dow up just 15 points as we head towards the close. much more to come on the second hour of "closing bell." >>> and it's that time of day. it's 4:00 p.m. here on wall street. maria will be back in the seat tomorrow. as the clock winds down to the fiscal cliff deadline, this is how we're finishing...
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i think there is still a widespread belief following the german elections that debt burden is going down in the official sector, just a matter of how much. >> gina sanchez, this is live tv of course. good to have you back up and running. we have climbed the wall of worry many, many times. quite often when we climb that wall of worry we miss out on gains. is there something different this time around? are the worries justified or are we going to miss out? >> well, generally our view is that we're going to get to the end of the fiscal cliff with a resolution but that it is going to be turbulent up until that point. and so we're probably going to climb a wall of worry there. i think the issue on europe though is one that we basically -- i agree with brian, we've put europe to the back burner and probably some time at the second half of next year it is going to crop back up as an issue. but you could see, for example, the sort of classic january bounce or we think actually fiscal cliff could be pushed into january by the time they actually finally get a resolution. kicking the can may be a c
i think there is still a widespread belief following the german elections that debt burden is going down in the official sector, just a matter of how much. >> gina sanchez, this is live tv of course. good to have you back up and running. we have climbed the wall of worry many, many times. quite often when we climb that wall of worry we miss out on gains. is there something different this time around? are the worries justified or are we going to miss out? >> well, generally our view...
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we thought we'd have elections march/april, there's the prospect it could be a snap election much earlier perhaps in the new year. now the good news is there isn't a huge amount of blowout on the bonds at the short end of the italian markets. the yields are higher but not huge relative to where we've been but on the ten-year italian market you can see we're slightly higher but no great shakes overall. it means the rally in the peripheral bond market we've witnessed in italy and spain has now stalled at this stage. remember we had the auction in spain yesterday and the yields are slightly higher relative to where we've been, they're still relatively depressed. we talk about the problems in europe, i thought it was worth pointing out amidst all the malaise what is happening in germany today an astounding manufacturing german manufacturing orders result from germany up 3.9% in october, a phenomenal performance from german industry and it's worth bearing in mind that german industry is basically in a single currency that is too low arguably for what it should be at. the deutsche mark would ha
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tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would extend the so-called bush era tax cuts for people earning less than $250,000. it requires 218 signatures. that means you've got to get some republicans to sign on. do you have any indication that any people will break from speaker boehner and sign your petition? >> i think so. i know one for example, my friend walter jones down in north carolina, said that he's open to it. i think i need 41 people now. we've got 177. i need 41 people to come forward and i think what's really interesting about this is, republicans aren't violating any pledge on this. they are assuring taxes don't go up. i see no reason why we can
tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would...
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. >>> these right, tie less, the gop sending a big message, hey, blue states, you re-elected the president. you pay the bills. how they want to raise money and why your mortgage interest deduction may be at risk. >>> bill gross says this may not even matter. we still have way too much debt. bill cross is here with some investable ideas for you. >>> plus, extreme hoarding, dividend edition and we unveil the one sector of the stock market that nearly everybody agrees is a must own, man kim. >> hi there, brian. hello, everybody. get another slow day for the market, stocks moving between gains and losses. bob, i don't want to begin with the macromarkets. i want to begin with the retailers. yesterday, the s & p retail index hit a record high. today, not so much. >> i think that is a sign of a little bit bit of concern going on. show what you has been going on. a lot of the big retailers are weak today. comment specifically on gap but noted, for example that kohl's had very high inventory levels and a concern that might make the season more promotional and specifically affect gap. see it down 7%
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we thought it would be weak during an election year. there's a whole body of academic evidence that public policy certainly does impair it. but we were stunned as early as the first quarter of this year to see the tech sector, ibm, talking about flat revenue growth in the u.s., and there we think there's a level of cap-ex that has just been foregone because of this public policy uncertainty that, even in a semistable environment, it should rebound a bit. and that could be a big driver for profit growth in '14. >> you point out that your sector positioning, you say it's cautious, but you are upping technology to overweight. underweighting domestic cyclical. if cap-ex is a phenomenon next year why would you not be more highly leveraged to that? >> well, we think that first of all, the numbers, and the valuations, look fully played out. we think they still have housing market euphoria. and, have looked at things like consumer confidence going up, at least until friday, as a result of house prices stabilizing. for us, that's the reason why
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>> the president himself kourg the election said 2 1/2 to one. now his proposal last week has $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in spending cuts and another $200 billion in spending, plus an unlimited ability to borrow and raise the debt limit >> you'd be okay with 2 1/2 to 1? >> the bowles-simpson was about 3 to 1. frankly i don't think it's a revenue problem. i don't want to go over revenues. but you know, if we could get a deal that would put the country on a sound fiscal footing and change this trajectory that we're on, there perhaps could be some republican support for it. i'm not sure where i would come in. >> the -- part of the cliff that bothers you the most is that you'd like to do something with the sequester? or, if we were to sunset all the bush tax cuts? that would -- >> that would go -- republicans want to get rid of the deficit. that almost cures the deficit. and that was the rates that we had at one point. and they were supposed to sunset. and i guess there's never a good time. but what if they all sunsetted and you did
>> the president himself kourg the election said 2 1/2 to one. now his proposal last week has $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in spending cuts and another $200 billion in spending, plus an unlimited ability to borrow and raise the debt limit >> you'd be okay with 2 1/2 to 1? >> the bowles-simpson was about 3 to 1. frankly i don't think it's a revenue problem. i don't want to go over revenues. but you know, if we could get a deal that would put the country on a...
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but blacks -- let's see. 95% of african-americans voted for president obama in this last election. what do you make of that? what does that tell you? >> well, the first thing we have to start looking at is what it's going to take for us to get the respect of both parties, and that comes down to us being a people that are principled over anything else. we have 95% of any race that would vote for a person or party, it kind of helps them to be taken for granted. at this point, what does the democratic party have to do to win our vote? actually, just be around. so it's time for us as a people to start putting our principles first. i think we should be ashamed of ourselves in certain areas, those who decided that the education is so important to them, they have a passion for it. why would you vote for a person who decides the union is much more important for them. >> in other words, school choice. i'm going to read from the notes. you tell me if i'm wrong. but this is tough stuff. you say in your notes, obama is the most aggressive anti-black policymaker in modern history. that's tough
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he wasn't happy with the 2012 elections. do you think conservatism just didn't make the case in the elections last november? >> we always have to do a better job at how we speak about liberty, the constitution and how inclusive it is and how it offers things to people who have not yet experienced the fruits of liberty. so i think we can always do a better job. what i will say about jim demint is he has started and brought some liberty-minded libertarian/conservatives to the senate. we have a pretty good caucus now. there's a real strong jim demint influence in our caucus. >> great stuff. senator rand paul, kentucky, thank you sir. all the best. >> thank you. >>> so besides praising jim demint, senator rand paul said something very interesting. he said he will not vote for a filibuster. he said, let larry reid, no filibust filibuster, 51 vote, simple majority and then he will vote no and let the democrats have the onus of the big tax hike. quite interesting. now here's a political threat. is the republicans at risk of becomin
he wasn't happy with the 2012 elections. do you think conservatism just didn't make the case in the elections last november? >> we always have to do a better job at how we speak about liberty, the constitution and how inclusive it is and how it offers things to people who have not yet experienced the fruits of liberty. so i think we can always do a better job. what i will say about jim demint is he has started and brought some liberty-minded libertarian/conservatives to the senate. we...
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campaigned and won on a platform of higher taxes for the wealthy and the republicans say they were elected because they pledged to behind the scenes power broker grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems like the impasse cannot be solved and we got to go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government mandated recession, which is what it's tantamount to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever been able to say to your boss, walk in, you know, hey, man i know i've got a huge project due, one that could bring down the whole company if i don't finish, but darn it all, hey, see you later, sport, i'm taking a vacation. i'm out of here! not only do i advocate no vacation without legislation, i want to know, a new one for you. a litmus test. i want to know which of these bitter and indolent politicians have tickets in their pockets to fly out of
campaigned and won on a platform of higher taxes for the wealthy and the republicans say they were elected because they pledged to behind the scenes power broker grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems like the impasse cannot be solved and we got to go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government mandated recession, which is what it's tantamount to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation...
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i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our deal gets carved out? >> well, when you start to hear some things from the senate leadership, then you'll know we're getting close to getting something done. and right now they're sending out minions and talking about things that i think are really, you know, staking out claims so they can say they've done that for their constituencies. but it's time right now for the moderates on both sides to step up. for those that are not necessarily at risk of losing elections in the near term to step up and say, listen, just like the leaders said earlier in the program. this is a math problem. it's really no
i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our...
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. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in the meantime, let's talk about some of the other headlines. financial firms are gathering for the goldman sachs financial services contractors. a key presenter is brian money tha moynihan. we talked about his reports of planned fee increases. plus there was the issue of president obama's likely pick to follow tim geithner at treasury. we talked about how buffett threw out jamie dimon's name. here is what moynihan thinks about that idea. >> i won't give individual names, but i think what warren is expressing a view which i agree with is that we need to have very bright, very talented and very broad experienced people help pus
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>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the opportunity for the president to eclipse the whole thing, i don't think he's going to but he could eclipse the whole scene. let's not relitigate '01 and '03 let's bridge to tax reform and move forward. the senate democrats not answering their phones are the ones to ask about this one. >> congressman, thank you for being on. >>> the final countdown to the jobs report. stick around. ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. take advantage of exceptional valu
>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the...
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doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the last three days, jobless claims to sustain that renewal again which i think is a bad idea, that's 30 to $35 billion a year. i heard many democrats say that's a small amount, why shouldn't we do that? that's about halfway to the total amount they're talking about taxes. but whent's that, it's small. but when it's the 70 to $80 billion am toortized over ten years, all of a sudden it's big. i'm not saying don't raise taxes. if i signed the pledge, i would do it for good reasons. i haven't seen a good reason. i haven't seen a plan that promotes the big guy in the room. >> see you in the next hou
doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the...
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i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because of sandy or something else, we come back. this economy is super resilient and i think we'll be able to go over the cliff or go through the cliff without having a recession. >> i hope you're right. my concern is that you are absolutely wrong. actually the economy is slowing to stall speed and markets could correct badly on the news moving forward. we learned this week that manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. we had analysts on the program talking about the channel checks indicating softness for a second month and today goldman has downgraded growth in the f
i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because...
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they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation. i did want to remind john that he should look at the young, newer members that are so difficult to persuade to make an easy deal compromise. and remember, it wasn't too many years ago, john, that was you and me and we were driving bob michael and president bush nuts when the democrats were offering them, give us the tax increases now, we'll give you the spending cuts later and we were saying, oh, no, they'll never keep their word on the spending cuts. they'll tax the tax increases. quite frankly, the speaker has a difficult role to play here. he's seen by so many people as the principal guardian of our
they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation....
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i think the bottom line is that the president, there's wind in his sails from the election and he feels like he ought to be able to squeeze a heck of a lot out of them. and he's playing hardball. and the cost is that as you folks have noted, we definitely absolutely 100% will go into a recession if they fail. and by playing chicken like this, what the president is doing is telling people right now in december to stop their economic activity because there's this scary thing that might happen if the coin flip comes up. so i think that eat big problem right now. >> i initially read the "new york times" piece about boehner gaining some backing of the house. it's basically saying the guys that wouldn't have gone along with them before in caving are now ready to careful with them. so it's like the same article. >> i think it's 50/50 that we don't get that. i'm not exactly sure that the president doesn't think that if we question over the cliff, that he can blame that on republicans. and then try to fix it next year. but from a position of money. >> secretary geithner said they're ready to go
i think the bottom line is that the president, there's wind in his sails from the election and he feels like he ought to be able to squeeze a heck of a lot out of them. and he's playing hardball. and the cost is that as you folks have noted, we definitely absolutely 100% will go into a recession if they fail. and by playing chicken like this, what the president is doing is telling people right now in december to stop their economic activity because there's this scary thing that might happen if...
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they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have governors. a lot of diversity. duval patrick and we can all look as governor cuomo, you have elizabeth warren that might be considered presidential. so i don't want to throw all our eggs in one basket because there are so many wonderful people. martin o'malley, for example, the governor of colorado. like the republicans, this will be a large field of candidates, but there's fo question if secretary of state hillary clinton decided to throw her gloves into the race, game on. >> she got a lot of competition. >> david frum, you think the republican party's
they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have...
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bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a come back, they can win in 2014 and 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principles, in my view that would be the worst thing to do. >> the tea party has said, look, we're for smaller government, less government interference. >> we have this historical battle between thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton going all the way back to that point, how much government do we want or not want. but on an optimistic note, we always seem to manage to get beyond this. >> congress is busy at work and just not on the fiscal cliff. ac, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dol
bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a come back, they can win in 2014 and 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principles, in my view that would be the worst thing to do. >> the tea party has said, look, we're for smaller government, less government interference. >> we have this historical battle between thomas jefferson and alexander...
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it's unlikely that in a formal election they're going to elect a democrat from south carolina to come to washington. hasn't happened in a while. my sense is that republicans will hold that seat eventually and whatever happens with jim demint. i was surprised that he decided to make that decision. we invited him to come on our show today and explain what's going on. i'm sure he's frustrated like a lot of conservatives are that president obama was re-elected for another four years and he worked hard to try to help romney get elected, help republicans and it's a source of frustration. a different challenge for him running a major think tank in washington and let's see w he does. >> for the time being it doesn't change the balance of power as the republicans aren't in control of the senate. >> there's a republican governor in south carolina and so she'll name someone in the short-term. i assume that's how it will work. once there's another election, i assume a republican will fill that seat. >> and i know you'll have much more on the fiscal cliff and any developments that hopefully we'll
it's unlikely that in a formal election they're going to elect a democrat from south carolina to come to washington. hasn't happened in a while. my sense is that republicans will hold that seat eventually and whatever happens with jim demint. i was surprised that he decided to make that decision. we invited him to come on our show today and explain what's going on. i'm sure he's frustrated like a lot of conservatives are that president obama was re-elected for another four years and he worked...
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he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would stipulate this, wolf. the president has the leverage here, i mean, republicans also know that if they were to go over the cliff that the tax cuts on the wealthy would increase. you could come back and undue the tax cuts on the middle class expiring. but the president's in a pretty good bargaining position here, which is why you see him sort of hold firm. >> what leverage do the republicans have? >> well, look, i think it -- they understand that for some liberals going over the cliff is okay, because liberals say, you know w
he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would...
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i mean, i won the election. i had the leverage. why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. >> all right. speculation is in full swing over the president's choices to fill his cabinet for the second term. among the position it's true. this is emily schmidt looking atted leading contenders and the potential challenges they face. >> reporter: a late november white house photo op. >> this is a wonderful opportunity for me to meet with my full cabinet. >> maybe the last grims of this picture, an eminent cabinet shuffle is expected. >> the president has got a lot of very, very good people to choose from. he wants to put together a team especially in international affairs, a team overall that going into a second term does not look like a second team, does not look like a group of second stringers. >> the likely short list to succeed secretary of state hillary clinton is politically charged. susan rice is thought to be a leading contenders, but some republicans were highly critical of rice following the aattack on the u.s. consulate in l
i mean, i won the election. i had the leverage. why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. >> all right. speculation is in full swing over the president's choices to fill his cabinet for the second term. among the position it's true. this is emily schmidt looking atted leading contenders and the potential challenges they face. >> reporter: a late november white house photo op. >> this is a wonderful opportunity for me to meet with my full cabinet. >> maybe...
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this is impressive given by the uncertainty of the presidential election. businesses are holding firm in their hiring and firing decisions. another unusual factor in the numbers, the layoffs and strikes at hostess. those could also affect the numbers. hostess filed for bankruptcy last month. i want to bring you up to speed on facebook moving on up. the social network will be listed oven the nasdaq 100. it could be added to the s&p 500 soon. the shares were down nearly 30% since that much-hyped ipo. market value is about $60 billion. it would rank monothe top 50 largest companies on the index. one strategist says the move is eminent. >>> we're following breaking news. an earthquake rattles tokyo and there are injuries reported. >>> hold up, an escalator goes out of control with shoppers aboard sending them flying. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can m
this is impressive given by the uncertainty of the presidential election. businesses are holding firm in their hiring and firing decisions. another unusual factor in the numbers, the layoffs and strikes at hostess. those could also affect the numbers. hostess filed for bankruptcy last month. i want to bring you up to speed on facebook moving on up. the social network will be listed oven the nasdaq 100. it could be added to the s&p 500 soon. the shares were down nearly 30% since that...
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washington voters approved it last month's election so let me throw this at you. there's ground rules here. you have to be over the age of 21. you can have up to an ounce in your possession. no more. and despite seattle's overnight smoke fest, you are not supposed to light up a joint in public. here's a big catch. you still have to go underground to get it. growing and selling pot illegal. at least for now they are. miguel marquez has the story in seattle. miguel? >> reporter: brooke, for pot smokers here in washington state, it is a day for celebration and partying. the legalization of pot. but proponents of this initiative say this is only the first step. this is what you assume the stores will look like? >> yeah. our stores are going to have the feel of a fine cigar shop. >> reporter: jaman was at microsoft and preparing to open as many as two dozen high end marijuana shops in washington and colorado. yesterday he'd be called a drug dealer. today, an entrepreneur. >> our target market is baby boomers. folks tried it in college a couple times, maybe they didn't
washington voters approved it last month's election so let me throw this at you. there's ground rules here. you have to be over the age of 21. you can have up to an ounce in your possession. no more. and despite seattle's overnight smoke fest, you are not supposed to light up a joint in public. here's a big catch. you still have to go underground to get it. growing and selling pot illegal. at least for now they are. miguel marquez has the story in seattle. miguel? >> reporter: brooke, for...
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. >>> well, in one corner, the man who lost the presidential election and the other, the man who got knocked out this weekend. the behind the scenes fight night meeting between mitt romney and manny pacquiao. that's next. stay with us. santa! want to see some magic? watch this! merry chr... (crash) ow! i landed on my keys. did you get that? oh yeah. that was amazing. here you go. that was a fun trick! see? santa's okay. walk it off santa. share videos instantly with s-beam. on the galaxy siii and note ii. for a limited time get two flip covers for the price of one. exclusively at verizon. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? i have obligations. cute tobligations,
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he came out of the election, he says that he ran on this issue of raising tax rates on wealthy. he believes he is very much the leverage in this negotiation and so you don't see him budging. republicans see the little levers that they have in the debt ceiling fight. these are two separate issues but they're all coming together at the same time. welcome to washington. everything kind of comes together all at the same time unfortunately. the debt ceiling if it is not part of any agreement, regarding the fiscal cliff to avert the fiscal cliff they will need to take up this question of raising the debt ceiling come likely early next year. republicans see that the question of raising the debt creeling is where they have leverage in this negotiation. the president and democrats do not want the debt ceiling to be kind of -- raising the debt ceiling to be part of this negotiation. they do not want this on their plate come early next year. it all comes down to leverage. democrats see that they have the leverage here because look at most recent polls today. if you look at this week, if yo
he came out of the election, he says that he ran on this issue of raising tax rates on wealthy. he believes he is very much the leverage in this negotiation and so you don't see him budging. republicans see the little levers that they have in the debt ceiling fight. these are two separate issues but they're all coming together at the same time. welcome to washington. everything kind of comes together all at the same time unfortunately. the debt ceiling if it is not part of any agreement,...
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they don't have an election until november of 2014. they need to say look, you want to negotiate seriously, we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, the country will survive going off this cliff. it's largely a factor in terms of american history, the people will not look back on as a giant tragedy. we need to have serious effort to get this country reorganized and i see no sign that the political system today is at all prepared for that kind of serious thinking. >> but what is so serious about the thinking of a party that just is implacably opposed to raising income tax even for the richest 2%? because the american people don't give a stuff. in all the polls, two-thirds of them are yes, let's tax the wealthiest 2% and by the way, that's me and you, newt. i don't know about you, i'm quite happy to pay a little bit more if it helps the general good. are you? >> well, piers, i'm happy for you to pay it, too. if you want to write a check this evening, the treasury will accept it. i'm delighted with your sense of cit
they don't have an election until november of 2014. they need to say look, you want to negotiate seriously, we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, the country will survive going off this cliff. it's largely a factor in terms of american history, the people will not look back on as a giant tragedy. we need to have serious effort to get this country reorganized and i see no sign that the political system today is at all prepared for that kind of serious thinking. >>...
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we talked about the presidential election. what caught my fancy is congressman ryan and senator rubio will be at the jack camp center as guests. i believe rubio or ryan is receiving an award. just 2016 came to mind fp fp you're looking at which ever one catches your fancy, the democratic landscape or the republican landscape for 2016, these are pretty prominent names. >> i think they're both top contenders on the republican side. paul ryan is the defacto leader. he's supposed to be very influential though he's hiding from the press which is interesting. we know that marco rubio is running. will ryan support it. will he gets blamed if he does by the purist in the party. will marco rubio turn immigration around which is very risky with the base. >> it's interesting where the republicans have now suffered a loss. clearly mitt romney is not going to be be party leader. they don't actually have one and you watch the wilderness fight for a while. >> candy, i hate to say this because i know we all want to play along with 2016. i thin
we talked about the presidential election. what caught my fancy is congressman ryan and senator rubio will be at the jack camp center as guests. i believe rubio or ryan is receiving an award. just 2016 came to mind fp fp you're looking at which ever one catches your fancy, the democratic landscape or the republican landscape for 2016, these are pretty prominent names. >> i think they're both top contenders on the republican side. paul ryan is the defacto leader. he's supposed to be very...
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, meaning the president, and re-elected us. that's not a mandate to raise taxes. it's a mandate to work together. >> mandate to work together which means they may not go on their break which is expected. i heard the speaker tell you that he's going to tell you as well. quickly, dana, he's going to stay regardless of whether they go on break, right? >> reporter: right. and the question was the house of representatives is going to finish their work this week in about 45 minutes and it's only wednesday. >> right. >> reporter: they are going to go home. they are not going to be in session on thursday or friday. i asked the speaker whether that is got optics for the house to leave town while the fiscal cliff is so close in front of us and that is the answer, that he will be in town, ready, willing, and able to talk to the president at any time. so that was really the issue. the house republican leadership, i tell you, they say they simply don't have any legislation to put on the floor. that's why they are play sending their members
, meaning the president, and re-elected us. that's not a mandate to raise taxes. it's a mandate to work together. >> mandate to work together which means they may not go on their break which is expected. i heard the speaker tell you that he's going to tell you as well. quickly, dana, he's going to stay regardless of whether they go on break, right? >> reporter: right. and the question was the house of representatives is going to finish their work this week in about 45 minutes and...
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presidential election is over. the federal reserve, by the way, will be watching to see what the fed does in terms of monetary policy. we know it will keep interest rates very low. will they have any stimulus up their sleeve? all of this are things we're still looking forward to. fiscal cliff still hanging over us. markets, at least, are telling us that we think washington will get its act together, avert the fiscal cliff and like what they see from the jobs report this morning. >> my goodness. that's optimism there. can you talk to me a little more about this job market shrinking and that maybe why the unemployment rate dropped? >> two surveys that the government takes, household survey where they call thos thousands of people at home and ask, are you working? that's the number that gives us the unemployment rate. they also talked to thousands and thousands of companies and they say how many jobs do you have? how many jobs have you added? that's how you get that net job creation number up 146,000. when the governm
presidential election is over. the federal reserve, by the way, will be watching to see what the fed does in terms of monetary policy. we know it will keep interest rates very low. will they have any stimulus up their sleeve? all of this are things we're still looking forward to. fiscal cliff still hanging over us. markets, at least, are telling us that we think washington will get its act together, avert the fiscal cliff and like what they see from the jobs report this morning. >> my...
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which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step. a down payment. ironically they all know what -- in the big picture needs to be done. they know you have to fix entitlements, do something on the tax side, but they're trying to figure out how to get from here to there. >> and let's just stop there, because let's say the white house now presented a here. how long do we have to wait for the republicans to come forward with the there? >> well, i think what we're going to end up with probably is a smaller here that gets us to something that they're going to need to work on in the
which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step....
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that's break from partisan politics. >> at this exact moment when we are all so tired from the election, you can see a little break in the action. i think that adds to the momentousness of the evening. >> reporter: david letterman joked on his show that kennedy center nominees receive an adjustable mattress and a new car. that may have been a punchline but they do receive the chance to nominate potential future honorees. elmly schmidt, cnn, washington. >>> well, cnn newsroom with don lemon is coming up in a few minutes. you have talks and tons of stuff going on. >> we are going to have a political conversation on the pending fiscal cliff and why can't we all just get along. elsie granderson is going to weigh in. also, lots of people have seen this picture. the new york city police officer giving a homeless man boots, but i talked to our human expert whether we are supposed to be naughty or nice this holiday season. >>> and the nfl players, some nfl players, are they taking swrrks viagra as a sports performance enhancing drugs? >>> and you have to see my icon with legend pat boon who tal
that's break from partisan politics. >> at this exact moment when we are all so tired from the election, you can see a little break in the action. i think that adds to the momentousness of the evening. >> reporter: david letterman joked on his show that kennedy center nominees receive an adjustable mattress and a new car. that may have been a punchline but they do receive the chance to nominate potential future honorees. elmly schmidt, cnn, washington. >>> well, cnn...
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it's the job the american people elected them to do and the american people expect results. they want compromise. in fact, two separate cnn/orc polls, in those polls, an overwhelming number of people, 72%, said both sides should do a better job working together in general. so the people, that's you, want compromise. yet this is how the men and women on capitol hill, the men and women you elected to work for you, have responded over the last 48 hours. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> what we can't do is sit here trying to figure out what works for them. >> the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> it's pretty clear to me they've made a political calculation. >> if their ideas are different from ours, we can't guess what they are. >> we look forward to the time when they are specific. >> they need to be more specific. >> some specificity from republicans. >> some of their specifics. >> that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans. >> i
it's the job the american people elected them to do and the american people expect results. they want compromise. in fact, two separate cnn/orc polls, in those polls, an overwhelming number of people, 72%, said both sides should do a better job working together in general. so the people, that's you, want compromise. yet this is how the men and women on capitol hill, the men and women you elected to work for you, have responded over the last 48 hours. >> i think we're going over the cliff....
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>>> the first jobs report comes out since the election. far from the east coast, one midwestern community has positive thoughts about their community. largely because of the landscape developing at an astonishing speed. >>> the pioneer spirit is burning brightly. much of it occurs in a few small neighborhoods. >> i can go local. >>> mike farmer is the ceo of leap 2. a company with a highly advanced mobile search app. >> people stop by the office every day. it's fascinating. >> that must feel pretty good. >> yeah, it does. >> one big reason these companies are clustering here is that google chose this neighborhood to launch its much anticipated super high speed internet connection. 100 times faster than most internet links, google fiber allows massive video data and graphic files to move at astonishing speed, permitting development of whole new applications. >> this is exactly what you wanted. >> that's exactly it. we wanted local entrepreneurs to take advantage of the faster speeds google fiber would bring, and develop. the skies the limit
>>> the first jobs report comes out since the election. far from the east coast, one midwestern community has positive thoughts about their community. largely because of the landscape developing at an astonishing speed. >>> the pioneer spirit is burning brightly. much of it occurs in a few small neighborhoods. >> i can go local. >>> mike farmer is the ceo of leap 2. a company with a highly advanced mobile search app. >> people stop by the office every day....
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and they were very instrumental in helping him get elected and re-elected. >> reporter: that's right. the election results tell the story. president obama won the union vote handily. nationwide, he won 58% of the union vote. compared to governor romney who got 40%. and unions also contributed heavily to donations and get out the vote efforts. $143 million they gave overall in the 2012 campaign to general candidates and elections in general. only 4% went to republicans. the rest went to democrats and outside spending groups. so you can see the impact they had across the board it and, wolf, while michigan wouldn't be the first state to pass right to work laws, in fact, 23 other states already have right to work laws. so tomorrow michigan could become the 24th state to have one. as the birthplace for the organized labor movement in the u.s., passage for this law in michigan would be a body blow to the labor movement in the u.s., wolf. >> certainly would be. thanks very much for that, jessica. >>> the president's due back here in washington just in a little while from michigan. his focus
and they were very instrumental in helping him get elected and re-elected. >> reporter: that's right. the election results tell the story. president obama won the union vote handily. nationwide, he won 58% of the union vote. compared to governor romney who got 40%. and unions also contributed heavily to donations and get out the vote efforts. $143 million they gave overall in the 2012 campaign to general candidates and elections in general. only 4% went to republicans. the rest went to...
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he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority than in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington post" abc news poll who favor raising taxes on folks earning more than $250,000 a year. but there are a couple other things to keep in mind, as well. president obama often talks about returning to clinton era tax rates. he wants to raise much more revenue from high earners than the clinton era tax code would have raised. and president clinton also dramatically lowered capital gains taxes, and that generally benefited high-earners. so a lot of folks believe that's something that balanced out against the increases on ordinary income. so, you know, that's something
he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority than in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington...
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and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states don't have gay marriage yet and most of those that do, it was not put in by the will of the people. i'm a marylander. our state did vote for gay marriage. most of them had to do with judges ruling. if the supreme court does for gay marriage what it did for abortion and roe v. wade and said, no, this is not in the hands of the people. we're going to say there's gay marriage, that would do a thrott fire up the republican base and could turn this issue on its head and become a big winner for republicans because they'd feel disenfranchised. >> what about the flip side? what if the republican goes that way, their base doesn't get
and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states don't have gay marriage yet and most of...
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. >> how much of this has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same-sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did "x" so i will do "y." in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case, and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of weighing the case, you know, i've never met a gay person. i've never met a homosexual. what is that like? now, he didn't know that law clerk himself was homosexual, but that was what the world was like in 1986, that a worldly, intelligent man could have thought that he'd never met someone who was gay. now, even the conservatives on the court couldn't possibly express a sentiment like that. and that's just reflected in how the court acts. >> what do you think -- are is there any way to read the tea leaves on this? >> based on my experience in the health care case, i am going to not do a lot of predictions because, you know, wrong is
. >> how much of this has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same-sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did "x" so i will do "y." in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case, and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of...